For me CGTrader is the best and CGTrader has the best structure of a 3d site !!! There are tons of things better here on CGtrader, most notably we get served very well for extremely low cost. You are just providing a platform." I think John Hoagland already pointed out very well the most direct benefits of doing business with Cgtrader over Turbosquid. But if you are on Turbosquid as an exclusive sale (models will be sold only on the website TurboSquid), Cgtrader can lose and this position, in favor of TS Very soon there will be robots that can scan objects faster than any modeler can model them and then reproduce a print almost instantly in 10 to 30 years 3D jobs will be irrelevant but until then someone needs to really bring CGtrader to the big markets. CGTrader remains a young and very responsive team and listening to members - it's a great quality. Like when something breaks that is no longer in production like your favorite mug or something. We all witness how bad it is for healthy competition and progress. What's lacking? Often offer to buy the models in 1020 times more expensive than the price at which the model was exhibited for sale. The longing to justice is something that cannot be eradicated, the hole of human history shows that clearly. An important factor for many buyers is the possibility of cash transactions in the system WebMoney. Don't know how many even bother to ask, and on Ts no one can ask anything. I really think that a "designer good practices charter" or something like that could help. The motivation to backlink and make marketing efforts for the own store (and the collective trademark ad the same time) would probable also increase. I remember fighting them at length to try to put my brand name withing the model description or my website link and eventually lost the battle. As someone suggested most serious buyers will end up buying 100 bucks worth of models so putting down 1 Dollar isn't going to cause any trouble. They recently changed their search engine over there and when you search for Free models it comes up with a few free ones and many more paid ones so from that perspective Turbosquid makes your life even harder lol. If I narrow to "man", it's even worse : 64 out of 128 models displayed are scanned 3d models. I'm glad CGtrader and its community of supporters is able to make this situation come to an end. Plus giving much higher royalties, instantly paid, much better support, publishing system, etc. Look for the big picture and think medium/long term. When I asked why they don' want pay for that they have suspended my products ( 428) products they did not say anything after. Even when Ts would sell more models it does not mean they serve you well, because it is not. CG trader is the first helpfull professional website I've seen in 20 years. i think they both have there place . But i think CGT nows that pretty well, that's why they decided to bring changes in royalty policy and hopefully they will steer additional cash flow towards making this stock market more attractive to the buyers. A few months went by with my models offline and during that time my GCt sales gradually went up at a level consistent with the few sales I had left behind on Ts so I just deleted all my models at Ts. This is why I would opt for a system which includes human sorting out capabilities. Once that happens it is goodbye Turbosquid and hello big bucks for all of us at CGtrader. Matt Wisdom describes Turbosquid as "a sort of Ebay" when in fact Turbosquid works exactly the same as classic "supermarket providers" where the reseller profits the most from the producers by keeping them totally apart from the customers. Imagine how much resorces and efforts are used by those clowns for this greedy Best price quality nonsense. I think posting links to showcase your model in an animation or to show how a rig works is extremely advantageous. Yes CGtrader is great! They bring answers to your problems or requests quite fast and in a very convivial way. After that response I selected all my models and took them offline. Change Method. It was the most unpleasant experience. According to TS "Marmoset Toolbag's watermark" is an overlay and a no no. Thanks iterateCGI, from the start we thought it will be best to expose the issues publicly, so other cg 3D sellers can see for themselves what they are exposed to when dealing with Turbosquid. Toys (212) Buy or download free 3D models for your CG projects, film and video production, animation, visualizations, games, VR/AR, and others. tax on top of a high 60% that TS keeps. Using TurboSquid 3D Models in Virtual Worlds. How about the Royalty Rate??? The conclusion seems, that clients are either more familiar with Tsquid, or that TSquid offers something else that is so valuable that even a much lower price doesn't matter. They provide clients with pretty much everything they could possibly want at reasonable prices and have a 100 percent guarantee return policy on all their items. Cubebrush. We previously sent you final warnings about your non-compliance with our Best Prices policy. - Guides/Tips for sellers regarding prices/quality to minimize the undercutters problem. Considering it as a seller, CGtrader is NOT better because I have almost no sales at all while I have about 10 sales every month on TS. Some may post their old stuff they just don't want to ask money for, consequentially it is also not representative of the work they currently do. [Lighthouse12](http://lighthouseapp.com/ "Lighthouse12") Market your products turbo squid does that for you i understand but if your trying to sell you have to show the customers where its at. In order to post an answer, you need to sign in. I think that subsequently only large studios and squidguild members will remain there" I've often (not just at this site) downloaded "free" items to verify their quality before purchasing models from a vendorI had problems with 3-4 of the "free" items I looked at first here (having no idea there was a limit), and now I can download no more. So many more buyers would actually have a look at what they have because sometimes you want to buy a special toy . Highend 3D - Character Rigs Same for me, here. I believe this would solve the 'bad content mixed with the quality models' problem. If CGT wants to play big and attract high quality traffic and designers/buyers, it has to invite the sellers to opt for a more mature approach in my humble opinion. I have to agree. The art is to do it structurally organized and easily navigable and then it is a matter of giving the people the right tools and they will do the rest issue I think. What makes Cg-trader better than Turbosquid? We can help here by simple putting the links to our work on our social media. The very best thing I find on CGT is the disponibility of the team. No matter how many 3D models you need, we'll take care of it. As modeller and as salesman i am interested in earn money only. Another point in favor cgtrader is that the royalties and buy a model possible in the payment system WebMoney. A little more than a year passed since our public disagreement with Turbosquid policies and behavior that ended our relationship as content creator and reseller. In regards to product awareness and marketing it is also nice to have some special user cases to show off, there is no room to collect user case data in the Ts model. I deleted my products here and joined sguild again, no reason for staying here. Anybody else suffered the same blows to their sales in the same months as the web updates? I got a bunch of scanned statues sold for 3D printing, some sci-fi characters that are obviously copyright infringements because made from movie licences, and, at the best, less than 1/2 of original characters models, many of them not being displayed because of "adult content". In my experience often times a client will ask for certain models but then one must take into consideration what computer specs they have because you don't want your client to get frustrated with the models you buy. Chat with Support 24/7 I am going to start a list to promote artists who are making great models but just aren't getting the views. @limonadinis How about all products here have no restriction Google search.etc. 2. The next thing CGT needs to do is get in with Ebay, Amazon, walmart etc places where everyone buys not just 3D enthusiasts and that regular people trust with their money. But now, I'm exploring a new platform which is Sketchfab. With the support of a strong community we can get this thing going, don't worry about that. If a model you like does not have a suitable file format, be sure to see whether the designer offers free file conversions for the model. I removed the download limit until we update the protection so that buyers can download much larger quantities of free models. It still remains a puzzle to me, were those few now actually using their CGt account because there was no other way or did I just lose those and just gained some new clients from somewhere ells? cgtrader is far better than turbosquid in my opinion coz cgtrader offer 80% royalti payment and turbo only give you 40% royalti payment which is sad. Dude, I have from 500$ a month at SGtride and i don't feed fat Turbosquid bastards. Marius Kalytis (founder of this place) was a 3D artist himself and took notice of the questionable policy's the established market had adopted (leaving room to do it differently). You are right IterateCGI it would be terrible for the photo realistic 3D models however if you think about it not that many 3D artists create things in that style and in some cases are capable of doing that especially some of the newbies. In my understanding, for CG models, there are three main trends : large public with various expectations and low budget (roughly, poser people) ; professionals needing a good quality model quick and ready to pay for that (roughly, TS buyers), programmers wanting to create video games in search of game ready assets. If you're searching for a regular model, you have to click on the little icon "CG models", but nothing changes on the page when you do so. A shitstorm war is going on between the "Wisdom" brothers & their Top $ Corporate Investors against Marius' CGtrader, who is leading the inclusive people that don't dance to the song of dangling shiny coins in front of their eyes just for the time being and the now. Your account is not in CGtrader and I can't see your models, and judging by the link in your comment you are just a spammer. Ebay and Amazon would be great for the cartoony non realistic stuff as well as 3D prints so long as people make sure to document the files appropriately and let people know it is 3D and not real. I left the turbosquid from Diamond level . Lots of people buy posters to print and put on their walls especially students. But they can still contact the artist for fixing issues directly here on CGTrader. They could put down an amount between 1 to 5 bucks as a deposit and after sampling the model as you suggested they could deduct that amount from the final sale. Like time spent on searching models or ability to get profesional support 24/7. Also you need to think about the advantage of not having to worry about shipping costs etc with digital art. I wanted to test if clients compare sites (eventually wanted to avoid clients would use the expensive Ts platform to get my items). Spider-Man (Rig) for Maya Shaders is a new section that we recently added. Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager, + blend c4d xsi ma lwo 3ds dae dxf fbx obj X, + c4d unitypackage upk max ma c4d max ma fbx max, $10,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), Uncapped Legal Protection (Indemnification), $1,000,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), $250,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification). [13google->http://www.google.com/] TurboCrooks should be boycotted by artists since they are the one responsible for the situation! We all agree that CGT is the better site and needs to win the fight but we all need to reach out to the really influential people and make sure they start promoting the site or we won't win. And something ells , I have seen people criticize the young inexperienced and even blame them to some point for some negative experiences over here. The rewords for selling objects from others could for example be 1 CGcredit for tier 1, 2 for tier2, 3 for tier3, 4 for tier4 and so on. Does anyone sale something on Cgtrader?where are customers. (I forgot to put TS up). In CGtrader you can accumulate many until you set up payment agreement. If you are doing really bad with sales they let you do whatever you want but if you are doing well they step in and make things difficult. Add a Payment Method, Add a Payment @skifx, apparently your feeding hand is just too small. and it's not a check-out, it's simply a gift. Free models are posted for lots of different reasons, not just only to serve as an example to show of artist modeling skills/quality of work (sample data). As we think that CGtrader holds the best core for these kind of improvements, I would like to hear the opinion of Marius or any other CGtrader representative about the ideas recently proposed in this forum, specially: I hope to find same courage someday ;-) We've been on TS over 20 years and on CG trader since their start. Well, unless I can verify the quality of the model I'm not going to pay for most things. So it was sorted in your favor afterall? It doesn't matter if the printing industry is growing fast. It's true. I like how there is no join up fee. And saying only nice words won't help them much. But at the same time they require all rights to the model, and the model is removed from sale at all sites. I hope someone someday will take the concept behind old cgtrader Maybe there is something behind the scenes what you can't know or can't tell? disavantages: low budget clients willing to get low quality models for 5$. Everything is more and more coming down to individual levels of very friendly and much more human communication. Imagine if CGtrader provided a service where they could get photos of the broken mug, then have some artists create a 3D version from the broken pieces and then have it printed for the client and sent to their house or if the client wants they can use their 3D printing company of preference to do it. Yes you are right Zet! Check out our picks of the best sites to download free 3D models for 3D printing, games & animation, graphic design, architecture, and more. In fact my sells on TS are actually going down while they go up on CGt. Well, after a long search, I found a negative point from CGTrader compared to TS. I'm about to bail on this site now - unless I can find any other topics that I might be qualified to post toapparently if I'm friendly enough I can earn some points, but it's seriously unlikely that I'll find any topics to which I can actually contribute. If they want free models then they can go elsewhere!!! Basically, they continue to sell their previous models or are selling non-liquid assets. To be honest, when I first found this site a few days ago I was really excited. A rig is like a skeleton of a 3D model, which lets you move and pose it with little effort. Hmm, i went to your profile and i see no negative feedback. I don't know whether it would be possible to implement, but it would stop those who just wanted to download as many free models as possible. People may think that having that option makes it more likely for sellers to see their work by placing their models in the incorrect category but actually that just irritates buyers who may just go elsewhere to buy. While there is some sellers that naively think they can rely on Turbosquid's good will to improve their situation in the future, the rest of us should be start working together towards a collective benefit. And also because of the complete isolation of the seller-buyer. Same with copyright infringements, same with low quality models (a friend of mine bought recently a model here, which was supposed to be .OBJ compatible : but the seller had just exported the obj from its original program, without even editing the mtl file to have the textures loaded automatically ! I'm just an end-user, one of the people you guys sell to, and the site is a large part of the issue, in multiple ways. Why should the artist suffer? i have sold it to millenium shipping containers amongst other professional business. AFAIK buyers right to be refunded is protected by law. That is very strong argument in favor of CGT, but then again, don't you think that corporate client would rather choose to get support from team of profesionals that are available 24/7, than from unknown person, who might respond with big delay or not respon at all? Cheap and free models are killing cgtrader. On the contrary, comparing 2013 to 2014 for the exact same period (January to August) our sales INCREASED in a 45%. That takes longer time. In short I propose an integration of global search ore collections made by designers. Everything is more and more coming down to individual levels of very friendly and much more human communication. Ah crap, not sure how that referal spam sneaked into turbosquid link, here is the clean one: https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/cathedral-paris-notre-dame-3d-obj/933856, I think that subsequently only large studios and squidguild members will remain there. TS has bather page rank, when someone searches the net it will come on top, simple because it is an older website. Part of it is because they don't want to get scammed. I have been very active on a forum of a different 3D model store, but the guys running it seemed to be ignorant about the issue. Add a Payment Method, Add a Payment - Crowdfunding to improve the CGtrader presence in the market. You don't even seem to get reputation points for purchasing items, assuming I've read the page correctly, and if that is the case it's just dumb. They often would ask me to just send them a model through email and pay me through paypal like in the old days. --GENERAL--. Then they would only find the relevant models and get to purchasing them right away. I'm just an end-user, one of the people you guys sell to, and the site is a large part of the issue, in multiple ways. For example, I ran into this this morning. or do you prefer to do business with companies you trust and feel comfortable working with while knowing you are supporting a #FairBusiness model that in the future will revert in your own direct benefit? If a company like Disney or NASA buys a model at TS, they advertise it as "Turbosquid customers buying Turbosquid models". Just my opinion, but look at homepage. CGtrader might have better conditions, rules and everything but it's useless if it doesn't attract more buyers. This would have probably be true for newcomers 5 years ago, but now that is different. Yes. CGTrader is extremely accessible, perhaps too much so for its own good in some lights. They should make more effort to advertise. Thanks for dropping by and great news about an eventual homepage re-design. This is a bit OT, but although I obviously ain't a squidguild member, I always try to design objects that are "checkmate" compliant to be sure that my models are OK, and I also beta test the .OBJ version in a lot of other applications that LW to be sure that they upload without hassle) Exclusivity to any marketplace has been proved a revenue loss. You have to choose a category to get a refresh. - Forcing people to choose a proper tagging to their objects so that we don't get scanned high poly print-ready objects in the way when we tick the "low-poly" filter, If you look at the traffic statistics, TS ranks around 9k top sites, and CGT at around 42k, so obviously, people buy more at TS not because they want to spoil the sellers, but rather because they don't come to CGTrader enough and their first place to search is TS. So i need to try to make money with my models as long as possible, means as long it is not uploaded to anywhere else. In fact, 61% comes out against 40%, since the paypal commission on cgtrader is borne by the seller, the site pays commission on turbosquid. But I think that CheckMate was especially created to bring artists to exclusivity, rather than promote quality. This is my principle decision . TurboSquid has stopped working in WM and lost some buyers in the middle East countries and Asia. We can't even communicate on Ts, and that in an age of supper connectivity, it's just the world on his head. Work directly with a 3D artist for your project. But they must realise that attracting more buyers only through more aggresive marketing is not enough. Work directly with a 3D artist for your project. - Fixing some guidelines to upload quality models (at least assuring that obj models, for instance, if textured, should have a proper .mtl file, limiting the models to quads/tris, imposing materials and textures to have understandable names, etc. CGtrader has already surpassed Turbosquid in every Rank, and it has +1 million visits too: https://www.similarweb.com/website/cgtrader.com/?competitors=turbosquid.com, If anything buyers should get lots of points for buying. Also don't forget that people sell their photos and posters too. Well, it was more than one year ago that I last intervened on this thread. @Urecky, while i'm agree with you in general, let me argue on some specific points. @IterateCGI These are great ideas and in fact we are currently working on one campaign that will involve the community to help market CGTrader better. Hey there, What, iterateCGI goos down? 3dsky.org2. How Can we get 94% of Royalty?? I don't know how reputation points work for sellers, they may work fine if you're an actual modeler, but for end-users it's just a dead-end. Think about the kind of treatment you can expect from these soulless corporate hacks once they can play their monopoly game again. Luckily, non of my sells on TS were refunded so far and i had 3 refunds on CGT, 2 of them was caused by technical reasons from CGT side. Turbosquid has too many models Term of Use on www.turbosquid.com. Renderosity. FREE 3D MODELS for Blender (And how to use them) - YouTube Of course if you have a PC with quad processors over 16 GB of ram things will be different but be warned students and low end users. That's why I won't model one single model for online sale until this heinous situation is rectified. (e.g. On the other side, CGtrader empowers the real content creators, giving them all kind of freedom regarding their products and image, and encouraging communication between customers and content creators. Site itself must have significant changes to make it more attractive and more convenient to buyers, especially big buyers. Maybe they have a much deeper interaction with the clients? In that case on CGTrader buyer can contact seller directly and ask him/her to fix the issue. They do not deserve that I fed them 60% I'm afraid the end of Ts is near and nothing can stop it, maybe the best they can do is raise royalty's to 80% for all sellers, but then again if they don't change the censorship policy's they are applying right now then it will probably not be enough to stop the downfall in the long run. Free 3D Models - Download Free 3D Models 3DExport Hopefully we can find a way that would plrase all sides. However, probably allot of us silently disagree on how we are treated as artist on places like Ts. The Ts model does not support such thing and is not up to the task of modern time needs for this industry. I can't imagine that competing sellers would go for such things as you described, but who knows, there are plenty nuts all around :]. There is indeed much structural work that needs to be done here but the core foundation/principal is here. Hi adentonclark, I stumbled across the same issues! I really enjoy the chance to get to know other people's opinions and experiences regarding how they sell, network and do business and that is something I have only been able to do here on CGT. Get this item for $ when you bundle it with the items in your cart. I do not know if micro-managing brand or front-page appeal helps drive sales more effectively on other sites than on CGTrader. In my experience often times a client will ask for certain models but then one must take into consideration what computer specs they have because you don't want your client to get frustrated with the models you buy. And yes .. "CG Trader has made their world about 3d printing". In this case the fastest support can not help. I'm about to bail on this site now - unless I can find any other topics that I might be qualified to post toapparently if I'm friendly enough I can earn some points, but it's seriously unlikely that I'll find any topics to which I can actually contribute. How about Negotiated price? or I can just sell on cgt and artstationm marketplace? Turbosquid.com4. I could go on and on, it kept me puzzled. Search Filter Free products only Discount Formats Free products only Reset filters Free I was thinking about searching for specific 3d models through a site like Google, not generic visitation standing of a whole site, which in itself doesn't tell anything about what clients look for. Thanks once again! So, Ts will probably have a few thousand lawsuits to issue in following months if they like. I can't download that lamp and see it's quality myself - so why would I purchase anything from the creator when I don't know if I'll be satisfied? Pleas just stand your ground, we need people coming in not leaving out. Renderer: Cyclse. In other words as an artist in TS you are not so well protected, as it's here at CGT. Determining the optimal cost of the models is an important and difficult moment. Sketchfab.com-------------------------------. and resurrect it without that 3dprinting nonsense. Cgtrader really goes above and beyond with the customer service side of things. https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/industrial/other/shipping-container--4.

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